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ParticipantJohn:
You may want to check out past threads on d-ring harnesses and their advantages for farming and logging. Altough I bought my harnesses used, I get all my harness supplies from Zimmerman’s Harness in PA (717-354-5667). They do excellent quality work and are relatively inexpensive.
George
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ParticipantMitch, unfortunately I generally work along in the woods although I think I could rouse Kristan for some log loading once in a while. I also have a good friend that bought his first team of horses. We have talked about logging one day a week at each others’ places. I like the camaraderie and safety of working with someone else in the woods, but it is much easier to harness and go compared with coordinating times etc.
I received some money from NRCS to renovate some old logging roads. When I have the excavator up here this summer I plan to have him make some brows in strategic locations.
Did I hear/read that you live in aroostook county? I went to school in Orono for a couple of years and Kristan and I spent a lot of time in Ashland at her aunt and uncle’s home – great country.
George
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ParticipantI hear you about the trial and error. I have only used my scoot for one day and I found loading medium sized firewood a challange. Too bad I don’t have a video of my peavee work, you all could have had a good laugh.
Is that footage with two guys working or just yourself? It would be interesting to know at what distance one moves from logging arch to a bob sled / scoot and finally to a forwarder.
George
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ParticipantCarl and Brad, thanks for the pictures and the info. I am starting to get into areas of my woods that are a good ways from my landing and I am considering a scoot and/or bobsled for the job. Brad, how much pine are you cutting and skidding (bobing?) on an average day and about how far is it to your landing?
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ParticipantAs always, there is great information here – thanks for the input. Carl, regarding rope size, when you mentioned 5/8 bull rope in another post I looked up its strength and came up with an average of 10,000 lbs. With these synthetic ropes, strength varies greatly. So instead of talking about size, I think it is more accurate to talk strength. I don’t ever move more than 4,000 lbs with my horses (I think), so I figured that more than doubling the maximum working load would be sufficient. If you and others think it is insufficient, I will defer and go larger.
Also, I will have less than $100 invested in the snatch block (http://www.amazon.com/ProMark-Offroad-20k-capacity-Recovery/dp/B003NY0JBA/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_t and rope http://cgi.ebay.com/Dacron-Dbl-Braid-Bull-line-rope-1-2-x-100-Hi-Vis-Yellow-/360301107744?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item53e39e9a20 – an investment that is not hard to justify given the its various uses.
Iron Rose, I found a picture of the bull hook http://media.photobucket.com/image/bull+hook+rope+/crwtimberframe/Z%2520misc/Tools/P2212286.jpg – very nifty.
George
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Participant@Mark Cowdrey 23922 wrote:
If I was to go out and buy a pulley, snatch block or whatever to have for similar situations, what does anyone recommend? Cable seems like an all-around PIA but I recall some thread talk about, possibly, climbing rope? Would that be rugged enough in a situation like this or would you need cable or chain? Or, a multiple pulley “block and tackle” setup?
I have nothing like this on the place and can see that the day might come that I wished I did.
Thanks,
MarkTo hop on Mark’s question, I have been thinking along the same lines – a snatch block and cable would be handy. I have a hemlock hung up as I write that I couldn’t get down with the horses.
I looked up the specs on Amsteel Blue and found the 1/4″ rope has a 7,700 lb capacity while the 3/16″ has a 4,900 lb capacity. Can I assume the 4,900 is sufficient or should I go to the 1/4″ or greater?
Thanks.
George
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ParticipantRick, I bought the rings from Berrybrook Ox Supply out of NH. They were around $30 for the 2 of them including shipping.
George
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ParticipantI have been cutting spruce and pine for a barn I am building. Now I am cutting hemlock which I sell to a mill less than 10 miles from me. Hemlock sure gets the horses attention (and mine trying to roll them with a peavey) after a month of spruce and pine. I don’t know what the density/weight difference is, but I imagine it is significant.
George
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ParticipantSabine:
I am glad to hear you are herding goats. That is somewhat of a rarity around here. I am in the process of training my fourth border collie. Our dogs have worked almost every class of livestock (hogs, sheep, cattle, and poultry), but mainly work goats. With the exception of a super aggressive steer, goats are by far the most challenging. If they can, goats will ignore the dog and stand aloof to the “hard eye” of the dog. When annoyed they will try to go after the dog until put in their place. I don’t know if you find the same with your goats.
Our new pup showed so much interest and confidence that we started working him at 3 months. This can be dangerous as a young dog can get tagged by an aggressive animal and lose his confidence. However, at 4 months this pup (15 lbs soaking wet) could turn a herd of 70 goats around by himself. He’s now 7 months and I am working on widening his flanks and not always responding with teeth when he feels threatened. A good herding dog amazes and fascinates me as we (humans) have yet to devise a machine or technology that could approach what these dogs do. I have had traditional dairy farmers who swear by moving their cows with an atv stand slack-jawed as the watch what a good dog can do.
George
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ParticipantSabine:
Do your dogs herd? If so, what livestock and which breed performs better (Aussies or ES)?
George
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ParticipantSimon, with the exception of the last picture which has a loader, how do load logs on that equipment? I struggle getting logs up onto my scoot, the bunks of which are 16″ off the ground!
George
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ParticipantHey Mark, that’s alot to ask in one dog. I’ve got a Jack Russel to hunt vermin, a Great Pyrenees to guard my stock, and 3 border collies to move my animals. They all are great working animals and companions. One dog that does all well is a tall order. I don’t know much about English Shepards. A friend of mine has one and loves the dog, but he is does not show much herding ability with his cows.
Good luck and let us know what you end up with.
George
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ParticipantI try to be as safe as possible, thus the engaged chain brake when starting. I have to admit that I do drop start my saw. It seems so much faster and easier than leaning over and starting on the ground and relatively safe. Am I being needlessly reckless?
George
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ParticipantMink:
here’s a link to some discussion on this issue: http://www.draftanimalpower.com/showthread.php?t=2575&highlight=other+logging+tools
George
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Participant@Scott G 23588 wrote:
George,
The chain brake being engaged has no link to ease of starting. Husky 372s – cold start: full choke 1-3 pulls till it fires (+/- dies) then 1/2 choke and it will run, immediately diengage the remainder of the choke and you’re good to go. You shouldn’t need to choke it again until after lunch…Scott, I have never tried 1/2 choke – will give it a go. Once it is warm, it starts up no problem (w/no choke). I am bringing back to the shop where I bought it to have them check the carb settings. Thanks.
George
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