[CharlyBonifaz]

beautiful!

[CharlyBonifaz]

Reminds me of our last years experience of plowing 😮
neither the oxen nor I knew what we were supposed to do; the old farmer, who at least had been plowing half a century ago was on the plowhandles and helped with his knowledge; his son helped drive the oxen; after an exhausting afternoon (remember 3!people and 2 oxen and btw. 3 different plows) we had managed to cover 6 rows ….. the size of the field used to be a days work, and we had barely touched it……nonetheless, we will practise again 😉 but my admiration for the old folks grew quite a bit

[CharlyBonifaz]

@grey
when I saw that picture, I actually had your voice in my ear
@all
front horses are with lines, so this is where the stearing is
horses in the back are “lead” by being hooked to the traces of the front horses?

[CharlyBonifaz]

Thanks!! 😀

[CharlyBonifaz]

we used to have at least one steady pair (sometimes up to three pairs) breeding in our valley (Oregon), never had any problems with them; when we lost calves it was to coyotes; can imagine though he spooked the cows when after something else….

[CharlyBonifaz]

you know, those two were the first oxen I came across when searching youtube for cattle videos years ago; he’ll be remembered!

[CharlyBonifaz]

canvas or other rough material (cotton/polyester) and I have used it primarily for its easy handling; always disliked the stiff leather especially in rain….
maybe I should give it a second try…..

[CharlyBonifaz]

how do you keep those loops from entangling? I always end with knots :confused: I try to sort them between my fingers … with little success…..
using a double-longe as line and aware of the catch

[CharlyBonifaz]

why not find out, if they have worms to begin with? couple or three samples of their droppings coming up negative and there is a chance they might be without or only with a little worm burden …over here current recommendations are to deworm aggressively, but only when there is a major worm burden
sidenote:
Streptomyces avermitilis is a groundorganism producing Avermectin/Doramectin (naturally); yes, it is still toxic for dungbeetles (dose! as always 😉 ); during summertime dung/soil mixtures will degrade half of their ivomec content within 2 weeks, during winter conditions it will take 3-9 months 🙁

[CharlyBonifaz]

and the residual wormer in the horse droppings are a concern..

can you shut in your horses for 2 days after deworming? after that your hens should be ok
next idea: may be ask your vet for a dewormer that contains the same stuff as dewormer for hens….
“other” dewormers still lack definite trials as to their efficiency
ps: is nicotin ok in hens?? 😮

[CharlyBonifaz]

this hyperregulation actually comes from the EU beaureaucracy,

I always claim, we sent whomever we couldn’t use here to Brussels, now they turn back on us 😮
Bivol, you’re not alone in this……if it weren’t so bad, one could laugh about it

[CharlyBonifaz]

probably; I’m sure many farmers and vets over here acquire their titers during calvings and won’t realise they may have overcome an infection with coxiella unless by chance cows start to abort and the reason is hunted down
usually lay people get infected only through events with sheep/goats
“Mega Dairys” put a lot of energy into prevention of diseases, supposedly that covers this disease as well…..
http://ec.europa.eu/health/ph_information/dissemination/echi/docs/Qfever_en.pdf
the number of cases in the US is at the end of this list (they don’t tell you how many of them are soldiers that brought it back from Irak or Afganistan)

[CharlyBonifaz]

not so new; the Netherlands have been battling it for 3 years now without much success; The “new” vaccine has not been approved yet and will not prevent shedding of the bacteria after birth, but will lower the numbers of germs shed considerably
Problem is, the bacteria will survive in soil for years (decades)
Startling is, that so many people, quite a number of them even without any contact to agriculture, have become infected, which puts a lot of pressure on scientists to find a quick solution; yes, the increase in goatfarms (by numbers per se and by animals) seems to be part of the problem
The article reflects the situation well researched…..

As an afterthought: many people involved with cattle/sheep/goats come up unknowingly with positive titers and have somewhere in their life made it through a coxiella-infection assuming they had the flu

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/content/in-the-news/q-fever-netherlands.aspx

[CharlyBonifaz]

😀

[CharlyBonifaz]

perhaps Carl is right though and they can untwist their gut?

sometimes they can: in a case, where the colon is hooked on the connective tissue between the spleen and the kidney, rolling is a good chance to free it up again, in fact such a good chance, that it is used (under general anesthesia) as therapy in horse clinics

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