[Carl Russell]

Scott G;21610 wrote:

…..As far as laying wood down @ MOFGA, I was prepared to ship one of my saws to John P. for the prep & workshop. He said not to bother and would come up with one if needed. I’ll still be packin’ my PPE & felling/woods gear though……

I’ll have all three of my work saws in the trailer with me. You’re welcome to use one, as I will probably have lines in my hands and can only run one saw at a time that way:D

Carl

[Carl Russell]

reb;21605 wrote:

Whare can i get more info about this?
Richard

Richard the MOFGA website is a good start, but John Plowdon(DAP member) will also probably help you out..

http://www.mofga.org/Programs/LowImpactForestry/tabid/227/Default.aspx

Carl

[Carl Russell]

Hey Lester, nice listing. Can you please tell us where your business is located?

Thanks, Carl

[Carl Russell]

There’s a reason they call it a CAN(‘)T hook!!!:D

[Carl Russell]

Scott, I’m looking forward to it. I also am making the trip from VT with a team and bobsled. I am pleased at the thought of participating in an event organized by someone else….

See you there 11/18, Carl

[Carl Russell]

ARGH Tim….that is some imagery!!!

Cant hooks are limited as a woods tool IMHO as they are designed for use on a sawmill turning cants. They really only have a one dimensional function, rolling logs/cants. They are poor pry bars.

Peaveys have tighter hooks for cutting into bark. They have the spike on the point for prying under, or between logs.

The Peavey to me is the number one tool for logging with horses. Not literally, but it is very important.

Carl

[Carl Russell]

Well… risking sounding like the typical woman Erika mentioned, I have gone from the days when I thought I could only afford one pair and make them work for all uses, to where I now have many different pairs. I have spent a lot of money over the years on leather boots, only to have the manure and urine eat them alive. I wear Redwings logger heels with steel toes in the woods, and for many things, but try to never wear them for barn chores. I have a cheap pair of flat soled non-steel-toed Redwings for barn work, and some gardening type stuff, and a pair of good hiking boots for cruising timber and other work requiring mobility.

I have gone to three pairs of Lacrosse 18″ boots, a lug sole light boot for barn chores, insulated pair for hunting/mudding etc., and steel toe with Vibram sole for wet conditions in the woods. I also have a heavy pair of steel toed Lacrosse boots with liners and spiked soles for winter logging and icy conditions.

And I also find that Merrill “sandals” and a good pair of walking shoe/sneakers come in pretty handy in light work situations.

I have found that although the initial outlay adds up to be greater, the investment per pair lasts far longer like this….. wearing the right shoe for the job…. letting the wet boot dry, and being able to keep them all in better condition seems like the way to go.

I don’t wear the steel toes because of the animals. I have only been stepped on a few times. I have worked around my animals barefoot, cleaning stalls, leading to water, etc., but I usually wear shoes for traction, comfort, and protection against the elements, rather than as protection from the animals. I train them early not to get that close to me.
Carl

[Carl Russell]

I must say that is one sharp looking outfit…. and the cheerful salute from the dapper teamster tops it off.

Thanks for the image Bill, Carl

[Carl Russell]

Patrick;21490 wrote:

…The informal style of some of the presentations is great. I really love it, and it works for me for $20. If I miss out on some parts, or get slightly inconvenienced, it’s not the end of the world. For $50 I’d want a bit more for my money. JMO. I hope the feedback helps.

Just another thought on this. We are not trying to suggest that we get $50 for something that isn’t worth it, just reiterating that based on attendance $20 just doesn’t cut it. So as the event/network moves forward I think it is important to have an honest view of what the market truly is. If an event is oriented toward general public, then $10-20 may be appropriate, and reflected in a more relaxed environment. However, a more technical event could be worth more. The other component is that as we tried to hold the event in a way that it could accommodate more people with a bigger venue then the costs add up, and attendance income is more important.

We also feel that along with the shortcomings of farmer/presenters comes a different type of validity that can’t be gotten in more polished arenas……

I really appreciate all the thoughts on this, and hope that as a community we can find affective solutions.

Carl

[Carl Russell]

Patrick;21490 wrote:

….. For $50 I’d want a bit more for my money. JMO. I hope the feedback helps.

Good points, thanks, Carl

[Carl Russell]

Countymouse;21479 wrote:

…. It’s suprizing they are not more popular in general. You definately don’t see alot of them in this area of the country at least…

That is the truth!!! One of the reasons they are not more popular is that the D-ring is usually placed in the wrong place, taking away the effectiveness of the Jack Saddle, and in essence providing little or no benefit over any alternative.

The other reason is that few people think of their harness as a “system”. Mostly it is just seen as a way to hook a horse to something. The foundation of the D-ring is to provide functionality to address changes in draft angle, holding pole/tongue weight, accurate pole/tongue height, maintaining collar placement, and eliminating slack in the hitch when changing from pulling to holding back.

Carl

[Carl Russell]

Donn, it would be very helpful to folks if you can document your process of modifying one harness into the other.

Carl

[Carl Russell]

Theloggerswife;21452 wrote:

Is there a way for those who didn’t attend the meeting, but would like to be included in the conference call to get on the “list”?

Yes, we will post minutes, and ask for anyone else that wants to be included….. soon.

Carl

[Carl Russell]

Mark Cowdrey;21450 wrote:

……

I wonder if it would be possible to set up an anonymous straw poll to get that info from DAP members? It would be interesting info to have at our early November meeting.

Mark

Number one, we are going to include this question on our NEAPFD evaluation for…. available soon via link …….

Number two, I think we can set up a poll here too.

Number three, I wish we had thought to ask this before, but sometimes you just have to get to a certain point before you can really see what’s going on.

Carl

[Carl Russell]

I’m finally back, but yet to unpack completely. Truck is running like it sucked a rod on the final approach up the hill to our house. Oh well at least I won’t have to haul anything for a few weeks.

Anyway, thanks to all of you who volunteered, presented, and generally help to make this such a good event. I really like Mark’s comments yesterday describing NEAPFD as a professional conference. It really explains a lot about the attendance levels. Every year there are about the same amount of people, all of whom are very serious and focused on the content that is available. We know that this crowd is not made of money, and at the urging of several folks to try to make it affordable to attract more people, we have kept the gates fees lower than they actually should be.

When I think of this as a professional conference, which has always been the emphasis, and take into consideration that we get about the same number of serious attendees every year, and not many off the street, I wonder if those who have attended would pay $50/day. If we had been collecting $50/person/day then we would be having a completely different conversation about the future of this event and the network that it has highlighted.

All-in-all I am extremely proud to have been involved with all of you to create the event we just experienced last weekend. The weather was a challenge, but everyone was there to get the most out of it. It was so inspiring for me to be a part of a group of people who thrive on overcoming challenges by thinking on their feet with fierce determination to enjoy themselves and relationships with those around them. Thank you so much for that, all of you.

As far as Sunday, we are very sorry that we had the agenda that we did, because the obstacle course was really enjoyable. It would have been extra-frickin’ groovy to just continue all day. I really believe in having the serious exchange NEAPFD is know for, not to say there wasn’t serious exchange at the OC, but it would be very fun to have a whole day dedicated to exercises like that, scoot loads, distance pulls etc. I’d travel 5 hours in any direction from here with my horses to do that. I finally got a chance to go through at 6 pm when I skidded the logs back to behind the horse barns. Thanks Donn, Jason, John and others who got that started, I really wish we didn’t have to cut that short.

Now for sleep, staying on the farm for a few weeks, working not only the horses, but the under-worked steers, getting some soil turned, garlic planted, wood out, and then some livestock slaughtered before snow-fall.

I love you folks, Carl

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