Carl Russell

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  • in reply to: Adaptability of horses and human emotions #56675
    Carl Russell
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    jenjudkins;14607 wrote:
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    I just wish people were as good at giving reliable feedback:eek:!

    This just got me thinking about this issue a little deeper. It’s kind of interesting how many of us refer to the emotional growth we go through while learning to work with horses. As a culture we really don’t address individual emotional well-being. We are all sort of left out there to fend for ourselves. There are so many ways that people learn to avoid the emotional human experience, drugs, money, sex, work, etc… we just learn to avoid learning anything about how our emotions work… or how to allow ourselves to function emotionally.

    Neither of my parents set particularly good examples. And I was always very uncomfortable with the superficiality of most of my exposure to group activities. I was sort of like that TB that Jen mentioned. Not that I was a prancer, but I was a trouble maker. I rejected most of the guidance that was offered to me because it was either hollow, not backed up with solid presence, or it was administered with arrogant and edgy authority.

    I have always been very emotional. I did have some good strong connections to peers, and some adults, who, on reflection, we generally very comfortable in their own skin, but as a whole, I grew up feeling left out, because I felt a sensitivity that was not validated.

    It wasn’t until I started working with horses that I began to feel how important my emotional character was to how I behaved. And I was floored by the presence of these beasts. It really didn’t matter who I had been the day before, they greeted me each day back at base-line (to steal from Jen). This was so comfortable for me. But it took a while before I realized that that was what was missing from my human cultural experience. And it took a while for me to let-down my defenses.

    I have found that once I found that “base-line”, I became much more able to understand and appreciate where I go when I am overwhelmed by emotion. I no longer fight to hold back the emotional experience, which is where the anger/fear/frustration comes from (the fighting of the experience), but can actually be comfortable with the experince of those feelings.

    My belief is that it is that comfort that takes shape in the outward personal expression that our animals see. It is not merely a lack of emotion, but a comfort with emotion. It is also a matter of allowing ourselves the freedom to perform in the moment, which is also often difficult with the residual fog of restricted emotional expression.

    My personal choices led me to isolation. I bought a horse and headed into the woods to work by myself, to raise my own food, and to find as many ways as possible to take care of myself. However I have been pleasantly surprised by how I have found “REAL” relationships with so many horse, and animal, people. It started small, years ago, some guy with long hair and a beard bidding on the same piece of horse-drawn equipment at a local auction. It has steadily grown, a horse-logger here, a ox-man there, until now at events like NEAPFD I can actually meander among a crowd of people who are all present and without pretense.

    There really is something about people who learn to work effectively with horses… and I don’t think it is trivial.

    Just as an aside, I had an experience similar to the one described by Jen. I had a young man hanging with me to learn something about working with horses. We went to a field one day because I wanted to pull some shoes, and didn’t want to take the horses back to the barn. He was young, and really quiet, not shy, but a little uncomfortable with himself. He really wanted to explore the way of life, but didn’t have any experience around horses. I told him to hold the lead while I pulled the shoes. I picked up a foot, and my horse wheeled around, yanking the lead out of his hand. I gave the line back to him, and tried again. The same thing happened. I grabbed the lead, told my horse to stand, told the kid to stand back, and pulled the shoes while the horse stood for me loose.

    Carl

    in reply to: Light work #57112
    Carl Russell
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    One thing I have noticed about light work is that we often take it for granted and miss the opportunity to treat it like “real” work. By this I am referring to cadence. I find that just because it is light work does not mean that the horse should be expected to go, and go, and go, and go. I have found one of the best ways to get a horse to relax …. is to let them relax. In other words, let them work, and while they are still working in an acceptable manner, allow them to stop and rest… just a few breaths.

    This however is not quite the same as insisting that they work at a walk. This has to do with teamster intent. This mare may be getting bored, or maybe she want to work, but these are not necessary components of your thought process. It really doesn’t matter what she thinks, she should work at the rate that you want.

    I have a mare that is the hardest working horse I have ever had. She will RUN with as much as you can put behind her… and with her ears up..she loves it… but not me. I only use a straight bar bit, and there are times when I need to work it to help her remember that it is a walk that I expect. I don’t need extra leverage, or a harsher bit… it just comes down to being ahead of the horse and if she starts to ramp it up, I just remind her to walk. And having a consistent working cadence is a big part of ensuring that she walks with a load on a light line.

    AND, one of my mentors always said “A mare won’t go until she wants to go. And when she wants to go, she goes like hell”. So there may be some element to the psychological make-up, but the bottom line is that she needs to walk… and she absolutely can.

    Carl

    in reply to: PM Spammers #57010
    Carl Russell
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    Please tell me the member name that was used. Was it Ladyxadmin?

    Carl

    in reply to: PM Spammers #57009
    Carl Russell
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    in reply to: My View of Draft Animals and Land Use In The Future… #54958
    Carl Russell
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    Some of these last posts got me thinking about a workshop I ran recently.

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    Brains and bodies working at the same time.

    On Tuesday January 12th, I gave a presentation at Sharon Academy, in Sharon VT,this on Social Justice for Rural Communities. I talked about the cultural assumption that people who test poorly in our schools are more suited for manual/ag/forestry work, and how that plays into the way we value food.

    I also talked about how the education system is lacking in opportunity for adolescents to experience physical and spatial challenges as part of their “career choice preparation”. Lively discussion.

    My presentation also challenged the assumption that farming and logging are not inherently intellectually challenging, and that people who choose these PROFESSIONS are less intellectually capable than those who have attained certification for higher education.

    If we could find a way to validate hands-on life experience, and physical enterprise, then we would find equity and justice in our rural careers, arrive at more legitimate wages, and more vital rural communities.

    This was part of MLK Celebration Day at the school. Workshops were supposed to bring to light everyday assumptions that affect the way we interact with people.

    I find it interesting how easily people can accept the presence of inequity in racial, religious, and gender issues, which are certainly important, but it is evidently difficult to see the social classification that is the result of our modern educational system.

    This is because it is an ancient assumption. Even the Greeks considered that people who work with their hands, animals, and soil, are bestial, spiritless, and unfit for civic participation. Some philosophers even refer to this as “Social Predestination”.

    I hope that I started some thinking.

    These are the questions I asked to facilitate the discussion:

    What is your name and what is your dream for your working future?

    What do we mean by Social Justice?

    What do we mean by “Rural Community”?

    What kind of careers, are typical in rural communities?

    Is it easy to make a living as a farmer or logger?

    Are these professions desirable in today’s job market?

    Do you know of any assumptions, or stereotypes associated with these professions?

    Do you think these professions require college education?

    Do you know of any social stigmas associated with the choice to work with your hands, in dirt, doing hard physical labor?

    Do you think those stigmas have anything to do with how hard it is to male a living wage farming or logging?

    Do you think that rural lifestyles are less intellectually stimulating?

    Is there any critical thought involved in farming, or logging, or other manual labor?

    Do you know people who don’t have high school or college degrees? How are they judged by their community? What do they do for work?

    What do you think about our educational process that sets us up for the assumption that manual labor is a career choice for the less intelligent?

    How does this prepare people who have a tendency toward physical work?

    Do you think people who are enervated by physical enterprise, somehow accept that they deserve less pay than people who are highly educated professionals? Do they deserve less pay?

    How does a school test adequately judge a person’s intelligence, if they are not stimulated by theoretical learning, but instead they are mentally motivated by physical and spatial challenges?

    in reply to: Hullo from Scotland #57053
    Carl Russell
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    Welcome John, Andrea, and Caitlyn. We’re glad you could make it. Would love to see the pics.

    One thing about this group is there are a lot of folks who are not ‘puter geeks (to put it politely), but we all seem to eventually get the hang of these things. One thing I find about farming and logging, and working with animals, is that when something breaks it often can have a second life ans a part for somethinng else, but these blessed plastic contraptions are only useful(?) when they work, and when they break they don’t even make a good boat anchor.

    Good to have you here, Carl

    in reply to: Hitching 3 Abreast #56989
    Carl Russell
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    Does’ Leap;14550 wrote:
    Thanks for the responses. I have a better sense of the line set-up – the diagram from rural heritage that Larry posted seems the best option for me. I am still a bit mystified by the evener set-up. Lynn Miller has a half dozen different arrangements in the Work Horse Handbook. Does anyone have a straightforward approach to hitching 3 horses on a pole? Is it always necessary to off-set the pole? Les Barden of NH mentioned he had an article in the Small Farmer’s Journal detailing a 2 pole set-up for 3 abreast. Anyone use this arrangement or know what issue that article was in?

    Les’s article was in an issue just a year ago I believe. I can’t put my hands on it right now. He subscribes to an unique line set-up as well as his own 3-horse evener. He has all that info, and I’m sure he would enjoy sharing it with you George. Don’t hesitate to pick his brain for all you can. He is still vital for an octogenarian, but he won’t be around for ever.

    Carl

    in reply to: some Pics from today #56974
    Carl Russell
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    Nice job Fabian. I like pictures that show actual work being done, and the elements of the challenging environment.

    Thanks, Carl

    in reply to: horse collars #56978
    Carl Russell
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    I always open my collars when putting them on. My horses push too, as even open my collars fit tight.

    Granted I use pads in the collars so they actually don’t open very wide, but I have collars that I have used for ten years without damaging them at all.

    I have found that if a collar is small enough to fit snugly, then it is probably too small to slide over their head without opening.

    Furthermore, the buckle is not there just for show.

    Carl

    in reply to: On-farm slaughter interview #56966
    Carl Russell
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    mink;14480 wrote:
    what day is that going to be on tv carl?

    I haven’t been told yet. It is part of a series on Raising Beef in Vermont.
    I’ll post the air time when I know.
    Thanks you guys, Carl

    in reply to: Contact list online – get ready! #56960
    Carl Russell
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    Thanks Scott, I’m just checking briefly. Really busy right now….trying to cover a lot of bases. Marking timber, cutting logs, splitting and moving wood, testified at the state house to support the Use Value Appraisal program, presenting workshops at a local highschool……and being a dad…..

    Thanks for doing this. It looks great. Remember I can send out a mass e-mail to all registered members of DAP, in case we want to troll for others animal powered timber harvesters out there.

    I’ll catch up soon, Carl

    in reply to: the old timers #56873
    Carl Russell
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    Back in the early 1900’s when Bethel Mills actually was a sawmill, they used to haul logs all the way from this neighborhood to the mill during the winter. It’s a good 6-7 miles from here, but almost all of it is downhill. They’d put 2500 BF of sawlogs on a sled and with one team drive it about 3 miles down to where they had to cross the Gilead Brook, near where it meets the White River. At that point the road goes back up a steep grade before it hits a long plain that pitches moderately back down all the way to town. They used to keep a team in a shed at the brook crossing, hitch’em on in front to pull the hill, then go the rest of the way with the one team.

    Carl

    Carl Russell
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    These workshops have been a hit. She has had to turn people away pretty much every class. There is surprising interest. Lisa will probably hold more when the grass greens up, and production increases again.

    Thanks, Carl

    in reply to: Hollywood celebrities #56856
    Carl Russell
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    goodcompanion;14390 wrote:
    I would argue that trying to breed and subsequently eating eating Brittany Spears puts you on just about an intimate basis as you can possibly get.

    I wasn’t going to go there….:eek:

    Carl

    in reply to: Hollywood celebrities #56855
    Carl Russell
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    While it doesn’t speak directly to all of this, I listened to an interview on Speaking of Faith on NPR this morning, about the meaning of intelligence. Author Mike Rose was discussing how the mind relates to work, and intelligence is not adequately reflected by paper tests.

    Some might find it interesting, because as has been mentioned, we have all learned a lot from people who don’t necessarily appear in the eye of an “educated” public to be the ultimate example of a teacher.

    http://speakingoffaith.publicradio.org/programs/2010/meaning-of-intelligence/

    Carl

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